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Hearth slab question

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Hearth slab question

I am in the process of building a brick oven and have a question on the hearth slab....  I am following plans that say to use calcium aluminate in the mix for the hearth slab, which is supported on the cement block with a grid of rebar.  I have the insulated slab already done underneath it..... I have talked to a guy that has a oven he made and used just regular concrete for his. He says the firebricks above are enough, and it doesn't need any special concrete for it.....  My thought is maybe just pour the regular concrete then after it dries pour a 2 inch layer of refractable castable on top then start building the oven chamber out of firebrick on top..... Overkill or underkill ??? Don't want to do this wrong if I can help it!

Thanks,

Mark


Alan Scott Oven Plans

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Alan Scott Oven Plans

It has come to my attention that the Alan Scott oven plans are no longer available for purchase.  I have a copy of the plans and because of a different thread on here I have scanned the plans and they are on a dropbox link.  The first couple of times people asked for copies I copied the book and mailed it but that got to be a hassle.  So, between the first man I sent them to and my self every page is scanned.  If you would like the link please either post your email address or send me a PM with an email address and I will send you the link.  I don't really feel right about just posting it.  I think it is sad that they are no longer selling them and I want people to be able to still build them.  I am starting this thread in the hopes that people respond here.  The thread I am getting requests out of I don't always get an email that a new post has been made and I realized about a month ago that like 10 people wanted the link and I didn't know!  If you don't get a quick response from me just send me a PM as that generates an email to me.  And happy building to anyone who builds a brick oven!  I love mine!

Jani

Alan Scott oven plans

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Alan Scott oven plans

Hi there, 

I have two sets of commercial bakery oven plans purchased from oven crafters before thier closure. The plans include a package of information that was not included in the book. These are available to be posted to those intersted in them at a fee. 

Please mail me on Alexiasavvides@gmail.com if you are interested. 

Oven plans

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Oven plans

Hi there, 

I have two sets of commercial bakery oven plans purchased from oven crafters before thier closure. The plans also include a package of information that was not included in the book.

Have have personally built both these ovens for my bakery and they are work horses. 

These are available to be posted to those intersted in them at a fee. 

Please mail me on Alexiasavvides@gmail.com if you are interested. 

Backyard pizza oven.

Adding water during the bake time

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Adding water during the bake time

In the past I would just set a pan of water [ maybe an inch or so] in the back of the oven after removing most of the ash. I am not disappointed with the chewiness of the crust. But I want want the crust of a well made baguette on my whole wheat bread.

I read that when baking baguettes in commercial bakeries that water is injected into the air inside the oven. 

My questions are, is this accurate, how much water, how often, fine mist or droplets, when in the bake?

What questions should I have asked? Is it a mistake to expect that amazing crust on a whole wheat load?

A friend has a fairly large wood fired pizza oven he built himself.  He plans to beak bread and pizza commercially. He was describing a 36 hour cycle of dough handling and resting. I'd never heard of that much time.

I attempted to make a desum starter for 100% whole wheat bread. Everything seemed to go well except the bread was way too dense and heavy.  If I had used a stretch and fold technique but over that long cycle could I have gotten a lighter loaf?

 

I was a regular here a few years ago but I quit baking when I was unable to make 100% WW bread that was of a lighter nature. The heavy stuff is OK if you make a meal of it w/cheese or your favorite hard salami . Other wise it's just too much. I've been using the Ezekiel bread from the health food store for some time now and i realize it's a different process. But if I could get 100% WW at least that light I'd be very happy.

I know these are a lot of questions, I've been thinking about this for some time now and want to begin baking again.

The oven in the pic is also built using Kiko's book and is a Canadian down draft. I'm happy with it's performance.

It's going to be a while while I gather info but I hope to do better than the last go round, perhaps via the knowlege of some of you. Thank you for your time. Hope it's OK to ask baking questions here.

 

Ron

A VIDEO treat for you all here

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A VIDEO treat for you all here

Hi New to the The Fresh Loaf and baking artisan bread and chocolate babkas.  One day was cruising around youtube looking for rustic bread and found this darling charming video.  I hope you enjoy it as much as me.  It has a fantastic old school brick hearth in a small Sicilian town.  Please enjoy this cute video.....

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p5zNpxxgok

Bakery for sale with 2 Alan Scott ovens

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Bakery for sale with 2 Alan Scott ovens

Hello. Commercial bakery for sale with 2 Alan Scott wood burning ovens. 2 Meadows mills, all small wares, big proofer, commercial ovens. Surrounded by an organic farm (actually a huge garden). Too much to mention. Email for details...

joshjmertens@gmail.com


wood fired pizza oven for bread

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wood fired pizza oven for bread

I have been thinking for a while to start selling bread locally at a farmers market, but one of the things that has been off putting is that I would have to rent a kitchen to bake my bread in, and the costs that entails. the yesterday I was having pizza at my local place where they have a WFO and it got me thinking I could possibly rent their kitchen out over night and bake breads there. 

So, has anyone been cooking breads in a pizza oven? my main concern would be heat retention, as the walls are much thiner. If I keep a fire lit whilst the bread is baking could i still get an even bake? I could build a small wall inside the oven to block too much direct heat, similar to a scotch oven.

 

any thoughts are much appreciated.

 

Brick oven Build

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Brick oven Build

I decided to show progress pics of my build so far....  Baby steps!

Wood fired pizza oven dome build out of 2 inch steel plate

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Wood fired pizza oven dome build out of 2 inch steel plate

Hi Guys,

I was thinking of building a second Pizza oven , I was not planning on cooking Pizza as such because I have an existing  oven that does the job well for me. What I want is a second oven that maintains a lower temperature well for cooking a range of artisan breads and desserts.

I am not good at working with bricks etc so was thinking of building the dome out of 2 inch thick steel cut and bent into arches welding all the arches together to form a dome Pompeii style oven. Of course I would  add a foot or so of loose insulation.

does this sound like a mad plan or a potential winner

My WFO

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My WFO

I will add more content later but I at least wanted to get the pics posted.

 

 

 

 

Mobile Wood Fired Oven - Anyone Have One?

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Mobile Wood Fired Oven - Anyone Have One?

I came across an outfit that offers a number of mobile wood fired ovens made in Portugal and Italy.

The Maximus has 100% 5-Star reviews on Amazon and looks very interesting.

Anyone here have any experience with one of these ovens?

I'm inclined to go with the smaller Maximus rather than the larger Prime as I only bake bread once every week or so. Baking pizza and other dishes would be added pluses. There's another mobile oven called Pulcinella by Clementi Forni that really looks nice but would be overkill for my needs.

Here's the link for the Maximus/Prime: http://www.mobile-pizza-oven.com

And here's the one for the Pulcinella: https://www.grillsnovens.com/pulcinella.html

Please note I have no financial interest in these items. Simply looking for feedback if anyone has any. Thanks in advance for any responses.

Oven Door

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Oven Door

I am looking into having a metal door made for an the  Scott designed wfo we built- after having a wooden door go up in flames after putting in in- prematurely (obviously). I would appreciate any comments regarding an

option I am considering of using ceramic fibre board material- also used for kilns- as the interior side of the door. I would also plan to have it cladded in the inside with a thinner piece of sheet metal. While used for pottery kilns etc- I am just not certain there would be any health related issues having this in the proximity to baked items ( primarily breads). Thank you in advance for any comments!

WFO - outdoor, loosing heat

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WFO - outdoor, loosing heat

Hello everyone !

Before i start i would like to say that i'm not professional baker. I work as a chef (time to time at wfo bakery and baking every day at home for family).

I'm planning to build a WFO at my garage but i don't have mch space to fit there big oven. I thought maybe i could build the oven outside and load breads from the garage as i tried to show you on the picture.

So here comes my question. Because is east Europe winter is really cold. Have you got any idea how quick heat can be lost and what solution is the best to prevent this. I will say the winter can be between -20C to - 30C max.

At this point guys, your opinion will be crucial for me.

Thanks a lot !


Backyard WFO number 2

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Backyard WFO number 2

So we are starting planning for a new house, with a hard requirement that it must include a backyard wood fired oven. This will be our second WFO, having just moved out of a house where we built a DIY kit version in 2009. We averaged 1 to 2 uses per fortnight, and are keen to continue.

The first oven, as mentioned, was a kit DIY build on a steel frame. The oven was a barrel vault design, with a hearth area of 700x920mm. The oven had only the one chamber, with the chimney rising from the high point of the chamber. The results were wonderful for pizza for a family, or a medium gathering, but we struggled with maintaining enough heat to do breads, or roasts and the like. In fact after a large, long burn the night before, it was already fully cool by morning.

This has led to us considering the options for our new oven. With our lessons learnt, we set about prioritising the requirements:

  1. Ability to bake full loaves of bread - if I can make a couple of loaves a week that are half as good as the Flute from Maison Drap in Lyon, I'll be happy :-)
  2. Ability to roast large meats/poultry without a need to enclose in a heavy pan
  3. Can do up to two pizzas at a time
  4. Can stay warm over night, so we can use it again in the morning for breakfast, or at worst require a small firing in the morning. Our ultimate goal would be to have one whole weekend (Friday night to Sunday night) where everything we eat comes from the oven
  5. Slightly smaller than the last oven - we never used the whole interior at one time.

Similarly, we worked out what wasn't important to us:

  1. Heat up time - 3--4 hours is not a concern
  2. Weight/portability etc...

Based on that, and the kind sharing by janij, we have settled on the 24x30" Alan Scott design. We've had the Bread Builders from before the first oven, and always thought this to be the pinnacle of what we had seen.

 

Does this make sense, or have we misjudged based on our needs?

 

Insulation Question for Italian Castable Cement Form Oven

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Insulation Question for Italian Castable Cement Form Oven

We purchased a four part refractory cement form bread/pizza oven (36" approximately on outside, 32" inside floor diameter) recently to finally put in an outdoor oven. The man had bought it in Italy when stationed there - had same one installed in the villa they rented - they had planned on installing it here when they returned and never did and now moving to a condo. I have the handwritten paper sketch from the place where he bought it - in Italian - suggesting platform height, how to insulate etc :) very very rough. 

I have Kiko Denzer's book and have read it several times as well as numerous sources on the web - we seem to be between methods / approaches - not adobe oven/one piece, but not brick and not perhaps the more "modern" full casted piece kits from the US dealers. 

We have laid a concrete pad and are ready to begin a platform, insulation bottom layer etc, but have a few questions - 

1) what will eventually be the baking floor bottom (the base two pieces) is quite rough - should we mix up either an adobe oven type clay/sand mixture or refractory cement mixture and coat it? 

2) The pieces fit together, but don't tightly lock or lip/seal like some of the higher end US type kits pieces - when we put it all together - should we coat the oven outside with same oven clay/sand mixture or refractory cement? 

3) We've been discussing pros/cons of doing ceramic fiber / chicken wire wrap versus the vermiculite type approach. I know there is some discussion on the ceramic fiber and inhaling but other discussion that it is safe for use as insulation once installed. 

4) We are a bit confused on the base - I understand that there should be an insulation layer in the base - for example sand and glass bottles - but then other postings state should be a weight bearing concrete or wood layer over that I believe and then perhaps fire brick? Our thought was to use cinder blocks to build the base up a bit height - with cement / rebar - then perhaps a weight bearing wood layer (large posts) then perhaps mineral board and firebricks - laying the oven on top of firebricks. Would this work - do we need a sand/glass type layer - instead of the cinder blocks/cement perhaps? Also it seems from reading one of the sections on vermiculite, some people do foundation, concrete slab?, then insulation, then another slab? 

Thanks - any help would be great- I am sure in Italy people install the type of oven forms we have all the time - but I cannot find much anywhere about it online and it is just enough different.

Neapolitan Oven For Bread Baking?

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Neapolitan Oven For Bread Baking?

Curious if anyone here knows how well bread bakes in a traditional neapolitan oven? 

I'm looking to buy my first WFO and am hoping to find one that can bake both traditional neapolitan pizzas as well as bread when the oven cools down to the right bread-baking temperature. So, heat retention will be important but I also want to make sure there's no other problems inherent to these ovens for baking bread. If anyone has any experience with this it'd be great to hear from you.

The specific oven I'm considering right now is a Gianni Acunto GA105.

Thanks!

Jonathan

Newbie needs help with terminology

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Newbie needs help with terminology

Hi all! New here from Ohio. I have a crazy idea and have no idea what search terms to use to find more info: I'm interested in building some type of oven by partially excavating into a hillside and maybe building a roof of sheet steel with brick on top. Bonus if I could figure out a way for it to double as a pottery kiln. Any ideas what such a thing might be called? I'm sure someone has conceived of this before but can't find sources myself. Thanks for any ideas!

Alan Scott Oven - Hearth Slab (help!)

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Alan Scott Oven - Hearth Slab (help!)

Alright Folks! I've just about lost my mind... trying to source a concrete for the hearth slab of my bread oven. I'm pretty much following the plans exactly, except that I plan on making the slab and dome a little thicker for longer heat retention.

In the slightly dated book, they recommend using a Calcium Aluminate cement (around 40%)- specifically something like Ciment Fondu (http://www.kerneos.com/content/en/Our-solutions/Products/CIMENT-FONDU/). However, this company does not sell small quantities and according to them, there are no retailers that carry it. 

Kerneos pointed me toward Harbison Walker- they carry a sack mix castable refractory concrete specifically for bread and pizza ovens called Ovenzz castable. The only problem is that It costs $38 for a 55lb bag.. putting the slab alone around $500..

Who has built this oven? Did you open to build the hearth slab with just Portland? Did you buy a refractory? Is there some sort of cheaper Portland based high heat concrete that I should be looking at? How much did you spend? Has your slab already split in two? Help me out! Please :)

I'm based in South Jersey, close to Philadelphia.

 

-Charlie

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